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I see that the "jackpot" has increased to a whopping £129.90 over the last few weeks. Perhaps the flaws in your offering and the fact that you would need to spend a small fortune on advertising to increase hits are proving that your business plan wasn't really thought through. Steve's book advises that you run your ideas past people, you really couldn't have done this unless you went to spec savers and they all had their rose-tinted glasses on. To the outsider, you have wasted money on a good looking web site for little chance of any income.

Back to the drawing board?

Jackpot upto £133.80 now - but somehow I don't think I'll bother looking again in 18 months. And no need to get all defensive - it was constructive feedback. As I pointed out vefore, better odds can be obtained from any on-line bookmaker so I'm unclear how you hope to compete until your jackpot hits thousands.

As I said before good luck and if you have another 20 games based on this format you will need it!

I am unclear what your point is here - and no I don't support Man U or Arsenal (or Chelsea for that matter). However, I think that you are being disparaging and unfair to people on here who do look at safe businesses - risk is a personal thing and if you have money to burn then that is your choice.

You are taking very little risks if your business model is as strong as you make out - the only costs you have are web hosting, advertising and the £100+ you put in the pot to start with. Perhaps you would like to share with the readers what capital you are actually risking here. Have you re-morgaged your house to support this business? Nah, I thought not

I do love it when people get so defensive, especially when they have a poor idea and can't see beyond the end of their nose.

So, like Newcastle and Spurs - you will huff and puff a lot, but never win a thing. Come back in 18 months and tell me how much you have made and I'll gladly eat my hat - somehow I don't think that is very likely !!

If you wish to continue a slanging match on here (which does you and your business no favours) after I merely provided you with constructive feedback then be warned - I always have the last word!

I am a football fan - watch my team home and away actually. I also have the odd flutter on football, which is how I know that your "pool" idea is flawed unless you get thousands playing every week. To do that you need to spend a fortune on advertising - would work if you were Ladbrokes or Coral, but you arent.

Your pot has gone up by about £4 this week which means you have had 3 players I believe and just about £2 to you in admin charges. Perhaps if you bought a lottery ticket each you could re-coup your losses! You are moving with your market, because in all honestly I don't think you have one.

Oh dear - I thought that you guys weren't going to get all tetchy and it was banter. Now you are getting personal, presumably as the reality sets in.

You are now telling me that I'm not qualified to give you advice. Actually if you read the thread again I didn't actually give you any and was just challenging your business model. 3 punters in a week doesn't sound like much of an achievement to me - and I bet one of those was your auntie Mabel. Have you actually read Steve's book as you don't seem to be interested in listening to a potential customer's views. BIG MISTAKE. Also - copying an existing idea (20 times!!), that doesnt work, is foolhardy.

As a football fan - I go to more games than you - and as a regular punter on football matches I am actually qualified to comment on your business. In fact I am exactly the type of customer you are looking for. If you aren't after feedback then why on earth did you post on here in the first place. You weren't after cheap advertising now were you?!!!

Your sales figures seem to point to me not being the only one who thinks its poor value and the only way you could grow this is with expensive, and regular advertising. Only a BIG pot will attract your customers. You can't even focus on a specific local market.

You can be as abusive as you like, but like I said before it does neither you or your business any favours.

My oh my - you got one MAJOR point wrong.

I have no concern for your business, because frankly you don't have one!

Come back on here when your company is turning over £100k per annum then I might just listen - at the moment you are on track for just £104.

I think you are in need of some serious business (and common sense) help here - you need to drive hits to your web site and that is going to cost. You can avoid the debate as much as you want, that just shows how flawed your 7 year dream is.

I used to have pie-in-the-sky ideas when I was a kid too - but thankfully I didn't make the mistake of following up the silliest ones.

You can come back for more of you want, but until you actually add substance to your messages you are making your business look very very silly with your inane comments and sarcasm. If you re-read my messages all my comments have been constructive and factual, unlike yours.

However, Gary seems much more pragmatic than you and what is it they say about two opposites!

Why you guys started this thread asking for feedback I'll never know - although I do have a suspicion why it was started. You got feedback, that has been constructive throughout, and you have resorted to pathetic playground comments because the comments were accurate and couldn't be challenged with reasoned and sensible argument.

In addition your final comments are a slur on just about everyone on here, many of whom would be more than happy with £100k. If you are so big in the business world then why bother creating a web site that takes an amazing £4 per week? and also why hang around on a site for new entrepeneurs if you already know all the answers?

I can't see any point in getting into your childish "my business is bigger than your business" but if you act like this in the business world then you really don't have a hope in hell.

Enjoy your dream - because thats all it is.

This silly footballwinners idea is even more flawed that I imagined chaps. When I said that one of the 3 people playing was your Auntie Mabel it gets worse. From this weeks "blog":-

"perfect 101 from Northampton won the BEST PICKS game this week - so congratulations."

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't perfect101 the name that you posted on above, which means that you couldn't even sell the idea to your Auntie, you are betting on it yourselves. This is also illegal I believe, but as you have nothing but your gaming license to lose I'd probably be doing you a favour by reporting it.

If only you'd listened to me 9 months ago or you had done some proper customer research before that. A lesson for everyone on here is to develop a robust business plan and don't let your heart rule your head. It might seem like a good idea to you, but without testing it with others first you haven't a hope in hell.

Steve, with respect I think that I have been both of these throughout this thread but if you read it from the top Perfect101 was the one who got personal. And I was just congratulating him for winning money on his own venture - perhaps that's the secret business model after all, and tax free too.

Footballwinners was not posted on this site to discuss the business model, it was posted to advertise free of charge so fair game I think. I also think that my views have been proved 100% accurate.

Coconuts
PS Last message on here from me then, but happy to take off-line if you prefer.