What is most daunting?

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steveparks
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I'm interested to know what you, as a start-up entrepreneur, find most daunting about starting a business.

is it leaving your job? Selling? Keeping your accounts? Having self-discipline? Where will the money come from? The media-hyped 'government red tape'?

What is the most scary aspect of start-up?

steve

Steve Parks
Founder of FlyingStartups
Author of Start Your Business Week by Week, and other business books

Read my blog at http://www.steveparks.co.uk

Steve Parks
Founder of FlyingStartups
Author of Start Your Business Week by Week, and other business books

Read my blog at http://www.steveparks.co.uk

StelfoxJ
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Money and Security

Hi Steve,

Great question, and one which I think about every day!

I'm currently in an OK paid job. I get paid on the 15th of every month, and then by the time the next 15th comes round, it's normally always a struggle, especially in January after christmas!

I guess what worries me is when I officialy start, I'm going from earning x amount a month to not much at all! I've spoken to friends etc, and I am hoping to line myself up with some casual/cash in hand work to tie things over. I still have some debt which I need to clear. I thought that I should stay at work until it's clear, but in theory you could plan etc for days, months, years!

I've decided that I will take the plunge. I'm lucky that i dont have a mortgage etc, and hopefully my business will make me some money to clear the debts!

I can understand why a lot of people don't start a business, but I'm 'really looking forward to it all! meeting new people, clients, being my own boss! I cant wait!

Go for it!

the.difference
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Joined: 31/01/2005
daunting?

Daunting because I find myself thinking :I am having this conversation about a partnership too early, beacuse you think: I have missed a step here, and mainly, like Stelfoxj because I have debts.
And daunting too because many of my friends and colleagues are telling me "go for it" and "when can you come and work with us", and I only really started out by wondering if I could earn more at my second job if I was self employed at it; claim all those lovely disbursments to offset the large portion of my second income that disappears off to making missiles.
I have no disposal income because of this, so my unsecured debts, which are very large and are only partially under control will not diminish unless I do earn more.
My "tame" accountant has been difficult to meet for more than a few moments since I first floated the idea and I have, what feels like, 100 questions for them. It actually boils down to only one question however; If I do the same hours part time work as a consultant and the company only pays me by the hour what it currently costs them to employ me an hour, will I earn more?

If the answer is yes, then look out the world of alternative education because I really do plan to make a difference, my supporters say I can.

By the way Steve, great news about the number of members

annasmedgard
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Cash per hour

Hi the.difference! I am not by any means an accountant, so please take this with a pinch of salt. I don't think you will be making any more money by going freelance than being employed, if you intend to charge the same per hour, partly becuse you would still have to pay tax and fees and stuff yourself (see no accountancy skills there...) But also because you would miss out on sick pay, pension and what ever else your current package is.
However - I really DO NOT understand why you shouldn't charge more as freelance than you do as an employee. Make sure you get enough to cover your entire package, and also you should be able to ask for a premium for the fact that they don't have to pay you at all when they don't use your services, or for when you are off sick. If you have people asking you to come and work for them already, then you are obviously good, and you really must ask for more cash for the added convenience you offer them.
The huge benefit to you however by going freelance/consultant is that you will be able to free up time to work on your new startup. Which is a good thing. If you don't charge more for your time as a consultant than you do now as an employee, you might however find that you work just as much as before to over the bills, and that the business start up time vanishes all the same. This is something that has certainly happened to me, and my business is SO SLOW compared to what it could have been. Not saying it won't bounce back, because it will, but I am probably a good year or so behind where I could have been, just from working too much on other things.
Anna

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the.difference
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Joined: 31/01/2005
cash per hour

Straight away, more good reasons for going solo!
Thanks Anna
Thinking how to justify asking for over what the part time company currently pay me was always going to be a problem. I have only just got used to the idea of people praising me for my work and being able to acknowledge it.
Luckily finding start up time is not an issue for me since I work full time as a firefighter. The shift work and the down time at base affords me quite a bit of scope (though not exactly uninterrupted)

One point that I might not have made clear though. I mean to charge my part time company what it actually costs THEM to employ me, including the holiday pay, not what I get gross from them each month.
Any new customers I manage to develop will pay a realistic (profitable )fee

Anyone got the answer?

whaletales
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The whole money side

The whole money side is, for me, a difficult area. Although you clearly have to charge a higher hourly rate than when you were employed full time, it is not easy to feel comfortable doing so. In fact asking for money/preparing invoices can be very difficult if you've been very used to sitting on the other side saying "how much!" when people tell you contractor and outsourcing rates.

The thing to keep in mind is that you have to cover the fact that, even flat out you won't be working in a chargeable form the same number of hours you were full time (there's all the paperwork, etc. to do). You also have to cover your overheads (insurance, travel, accountants, corporation tax if you are Ltd., etc.). Its also wprth remembering that the customer doesn't have to employ you with all the associated overheads that entails.

Of course this is all from a service based viewpoint and not a product based one where things must get far more complicated with cost of materials, how many you can make, how many you can sell, other supply to point of sale costs, and all sorts of things I've not even thought of (not having read the book!).

I probably ought to actually buy the book and have a read, but I still can't my head around the value when I'm somewhere between 1 and 3 years down the road (depending on your view point), all be it from a running start that has left my feet a slightly dangerous distance behind my head trying to catch up, or at least ensure I don't fall flat on my face!!

...pending...

...pending...

Qualinav
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What to charge

If you have been always employed, it's not easy to imagine what your gross income needs to be to have a net income that's not less than you had before. A way to find it out is to look at tenders by public services or to find out what tendering companies are paying. They usually benchmark and have grids that link payment per day with knowledge/skills/strengths (competence)and in most cases seniority.
You have to check also if such contracts are all inclusive (i.e. your travel, lodging, meals included) or if they pay service separate and reimburse travel and lodging. If you provide a course, be again careful about the costs of the course material. Most of the time you have to provide it (so take that material and working hours into account). Sometimes, you can provide a master and they reproduce the material, but they may then consider it their property too. You can agree but for instance on condition that the material continues to bear your company name/logo. There are a lot of hidden costs that you as employee never thought about (internet link, phone and the time needed for that communication). The consultancy fees may look great, but after decent calculations, you may discover that they are just justifiable.

christina
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where will the money come from?

you know when im thinking about having my own business it gives me so much excitement but im a mother of three children and a full pledge mom my husband is an artist and a freelence production designer , he is earning just right for the whole month budget but it didn't scares me to be an entreprenuer. i wanted to be productive while im home taking care of my kids and in small ways maybe i could help a little on our financial needs and i wanted it start it on a right way so i won't make mistakes again for i wanted a long term business.

giselle.raiser
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Living my job

To be honest, you have mentioned all of the problems that I have thought of since I found your book. I hadn't really thought about it reality wise until now spending most of my time day dreaming. It has really got me thinking about all this because whilst you are thinking about where you will b in 5yrs: your future house,car, businesses and the likes, you can't help thinking at the same time what you have to do in order to get there. As I was browsing through your book "Start your business week by week", it suddenly dauned on me that I will hwve to leave my current job. I am not joking Steve but the moment I realised it, I think I skipped a heartbeat. The thought of it really did scared me. I really do love my job and my work colleagues. That doesn't happen very often. I have been so worried that I thought to myself what will I do if things don't go well. But at the end of the day, it your dream that you want to fulfill. Why should things go wrong unless you don't work hard and put all your heart in it. You to start from somewhere.

suzie
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the fear!

While i have resigned already - this was a big step for me. I gave three months notice even though i didn't have too so that i could get used to the idea. I loved my job and miss the people but one day on the spur of the moment i thought - i've always wanted this - and if i don't do it i will be one of those people who always talks about it and never does it and i couldn't live with that. it wasn't a desicion in the end it was just the only choice i had.

The difficulty is that my mood swings wildly from thinking of the excitment of being at the begining of the course i have planned for my whole life to thinking what the hell have i done, i don't know what i'm doing.

and what i have learned is that if i grab the fear and say yes this is fearful but that makes the difference between doing what you've always wanted to do and not doing it. Some days it works better than others!

Mac
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I agree suzie

I am behind you 100% what you have just written sound like it's coming out of my mouth. I just haven't had the guts to resign...yet. Hopefully would have within the next month. I was talking with my mentor (dad) the other day and I was freting about being a failure with the new venture and he said, 'the failures in the world are the ones that tried, so if you don't at least try then you'll never know if you will be a sucess or a failure' In other words GO FOR IT!

Mark Gittos
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Most daunting

Dear reader,
The most daunting thing I feel, is sales. My comments last week have changed drastically this week. Having often been told I could sell sand to the Arabs. I have quickly become aware of the fact, that they have loads of it, and, have no need to buy anymore. As a Graphic Designer, my past interaction with clients was always at a stage when the sale of service had been made. Now, having to sell, the service to feed the design there is a whole new area opening up and it is daunting. Daunting, but not off putting, so it is full steam ahead to fill up that funnel.

nikushka
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to giselle, suzie, mac and others

i totally agree - leaving the job is scary. but the truth about having a great job and loving your colleagues is that it's NOT going to last forever. i loved my job to bits and was happy to work on weekends etc up until the moment when my old boss resigned and a new guy came in - and it all went downhill from there. he managed to annoy even the most quietest and peaceful, and i was literally sick from the stress of going to the office and having to deal with that person. so i walked out into nowhere - no job, no business idea, no income. spent a month thinking about the things that i always wanted to do but never got round to due to being too busy doing "the job i love and hanging out with the lovely colleagues". i was shocked when i discovered how much of MY life had been put on hold.. so i had to make a few decisions - that was almost two years ago now - and i'm well on my way. i'm learning spanish, teaching yoga, doing an MA, planning to start my own business etc etc etc.
anyway it's a long story but the moral is never get too busy making a living that you forget to make a life (that's a quote from somewhere but it stuck in my head forever!)

giselle.raiser
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You are Absolutely right Nikushka!!!

I have to agree with you strongly there. That thought did actually come into mind as i thought about my future. I thought those whom I actually admire the most and respect the most and look forward to seeing at work will certainly not be there forever. Anything can happen and I have to be able to look out for myself, make my dreams come true rather than waiting until they all move on to other things. Just thought I'd let you know that I do really agree with you... Best wishes in all your ventures

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